Fandom/Character Rant
Nov. 25th, 2006 05:27 pmSEVERE LANGUAGE LIES AHEAD
If somebody doesn't like a character that you happen to adore, why can't you just suck it up and get over it? I'm sure you hate a character that I love.
It's fucking frustrating that some people can't get over the fact that people have opinions, that people don't feel all the same thing.
I don't like Kara from BSG, GET THE FUCK OVER IT, it's not something new, I haven't really liked her starting from the first season. She's okay. I love Lee, he's been my favorite since the first episode of season one. But, I like their relationship because they have semi-real problems (I say that because I really don't know anyone who's in love with their dead fiance's brother or their dead brother's fiance). The rift that's between the two now, do I blame one over the other? Not really, Kara does hurtful things, BUT SO DOES LEE, my character love doesn't get in the way of knowing that. So don't get pissy because I don't like your favorite character. I don't hate her, but she's not at the top of my favorites list.
I didn't like season two Rose from DW. GET OVER IT. She was a better character in season one and her arc in S2 was annoying, pissed me off, and regressed. I'm also not a big fan of Ten, he's not cute, sexy, charming or whatever. He's a bastard(which for me does not go in his favor) with little going his way. I love Nine, and my bias shows. Not everyone can like every single Doctor, don't like it, fine, don't talk to me and don't complain in public about WHY OH WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE TEN??!! Who the fuck cares, it's people's own choice to feel what they feel. I don't hate the guy, he just wasn't well written and it shows, IMHO.
Please don't get me started on Ten/Rose. Again, my view on them is my own opinion.
Also, what the fuck is the point of hating a character we haven't met? It's happened in a couple fandoms I know.
Rodney McKay from SGA, IMHO, is not the bestest character in the whole world, I'm so sorry to say. (not really) He's not my favorite character, in fact 7/10 times he annoys the fucking hell out of me. I don't not get the McShep thing, it's actually kinda weird for myself to try and ship them because IMO, they bicker like brothers. Elizabeth is my favorite character because she's a strong leader, knows how to handle herself, she makes the calls, and is incrediably brave and strong. And really very pretty. John comes in second, and that's really no surprise.
Yes, I'm a Sparky shipper. Damn proud of it.
Also, I really don't get the irrational hatred of a character because they threaten your 'ship. What's with the Sheyla (or the McShep?) shippers hating Elizabeth, maybe my venture into the fandom is limited, but I really haven't seen much bad mouthing of Teyla by the Sparky shippers. Of course, maybe if they were to actually make a character out of Teyla, people would have a better opinion of her.
Being in a fandom is fun, the debates and even the hate can sometimes make me enjoy the show more but then I get my feathers ruffled and I have to let it out. I've said it before, and I'm still baffled. Why oh why don't people understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion? Just like you are. You want to complain about what I'm saying, please do so, let me know what I'm getting wrong, it's fine. Just like you can express yourself however you like, so can I. I'm here complaining about people complaining. I'm not be a hypocrite because I know that you'll continue to do so. I just would like people to know, NOT EVERYONE SHARES THE SAME VIEWPOINTS.
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm expressing. Did I contradict myself? Probably, did I say something that makes me a hypocrite? I wouldn't be surprised. I sometimes have trouble expressing myself.
If somebody doesn't like a character that you happen to adore, why can't you just suck it up and get over it? I'm sure you hate a character that I love.
It's fucking frustrating that some people can't get over the fact that people have opinions, that people don't feel all the same thing.
I don't like Kara from BSG, GET THE FUCK OVER IT, it's not something new, I haven't really liked her starting from the first season. She's okay. I love Lee, he's been my favorite since the first episode of season one. But, I like their relationship because they have semi-real problems (I say that because I really don't know anyone who's in love with their dead fiance's brother or their dead brother's fiance). The rift that's between the two now, do I blame one over the other? Not really, Kara does hurtful things, BUT SO DOES LEE, my character love doesn't get in the way of knowing that. So don't get pissy because I don't like your favorite character. I don't hate her, but she's not at the top of my favorites list.
I didn't like season two Rose from DW. GET OVER IT. She was a better character in season one and her arc in S2 was annoying, pissed me off, and regressed. I'm also not a big fan of Ten, he's not cute, sexy, charming or whatever. He's a bastard(which for me does not go in his favor) with little going his way. I love Nine, and my bias shows. Not everyone can like every single Doctor, don't like it, fine, don't talk to me and don't complain in public about WHY OH WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE TEN??!! Who the fuck cares, it's people's own choice to feel what they feel. I don't hate the guy, he just wasn't well written and it shows, IMHO.
Please don't get me started on Ten/Rose. Again, my view on them is my own opinion.
Also, what the fuck is the point of hating a character we haven't met? It's happened in a couple fandoms I know.
Rodney McKay from SGA, IMHO, is not the bestest character in the whole world, I'm so sorry to say. (not really) He's not my favorite character, in fact 7/10 times he annoys the fucking hell out of me. I don't not get the McShep thing, it's actually kinda weird for myself to try and ship them because IMO, they bicker like brothers. Elizabeth is my favorite character because she's a strong leader, knows how to handle herself, she makes the calls, and is incrediably brave and strong. And really very pretty. John comes in second, and that's really no surprise.
Yes, I'm a Sparky shipper. Damn proud of it.
Also, I really don't get the irrational hatred of a character because they threaten your 'ship. What's with the Sheyla (or the McShep?) shippers hating Elizabeth, maybe my venture into the fandom is limited, but I really haven't seen much bad mouthing of Teyla by the Sparky shippers. Of course, maybe if they were to actually make a character out of Teyla, people would have a better opinion of her.
Being in a fandom is fun, the debates and even the hate can sometimes make me enjoy the show more but then I get my feathers ruffled and I have to let it out. I've said it before, and I'm still baffled. Why oh why don't people understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion? Just like you are. You want to complain about what I'm saying, please do so, let me know what I'm getting wrong, it's fine. Just like you can express yourself however you like, so can I. I'm here complaining about people complaining. I'm not be a hypocrite because I know that you'll continue to do so. I just would like people to know, NOT EVERYONE SHARES THE SAME VIEWPOINTS.
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm expressing. Did I contradict myself? Probably, did I say something that makes me a hypocrite? I wouldn't be surprised. I sometimes have trouble expressing myself.
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Date: 2006-11-25 11:08 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-11-25 11:09 pm (UTC)That's the one I really don't get. I went into S2 of DW fully expecting to like Ten, even though my love for Nine would have biased me against him. David Tennant + weak writing lost me not because he was a replacement for Nine but because he wasn't. I'm hoping for Martha to be better. Heck, I'm still hoping for Gwen to be better!
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Date: 2006-11-26 12:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-26 08:36 pm (UTC)Ten/nant is weird because I like the actor as a person a great deal; I even think he's far more attractive as himself than he ever is in character. I think he's a B-grade actor, but the Tenth Doctor is a misfire, partially due to writing, partially due to some odd and ineffective acting choices. OTOH, I admire Billie Piper's ability to keep Rose as together as she could in S2. She was struggling against the writing in some cases - even though it was inconsistent and unprepared, she pulled off both the petty jealousy in SR and the maturity and grace of GitF. And I have always loved Hugh Laurie - until House, which I think is wildly overpraised.
John Barrowman is interesting because I like him a great deal as a person, and I think he is very pretty (not at all the type I go for), but he seems to be uneven as an actor. It's not just his theatricality, which doesn't bother me as much as his inconsistency. That said, I thought he rocked during every scene with Billie Piper and especially Christopher Eccleston. I think they pulled something very special out of him that we've rarely gotten in Torchwood - except when he seems to touch on his residual Nine-ness.
I look forward to seeing who CE ends up with in Heroes. I'm all caught up now, and it strikes me that putting him in the Peter-Claire storyline could be quite fascinating. Although it would also kind of replicate Nine/Rose with a combination of Adam and Jack.
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Date: 2006-11-26 08:49 pm (UTC)That's something really big happening right now in the Smallville fandom. It's fucking annoying because they're slagging off on my favorite character/actress on the show (Chloe/Allison Mack). Her character is the most real and the actress, quite frankly, is fantastic.
I saw Stanley Tucci on the Food Network last night, they visited him with his family in Italy cooking. He looked very handsome, which I've never really noticed before.
I unfortunately haven't been too impressed with JB in Torchwood, which is sad.
I'm all caught up now, and it strikes me that putting him in the Peter-Claire storyline could be quite fascinating.
Great, now we're gonna be all upset when he ends up in Nikki's storyline! ;) Personally, I think his character would make the most sense in the Peter/Claire storyline. After reading spoilers (bad Megan), especially Peter's storyline.
If CE is playing Claude. *giggles to herself*
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Date: 2006-11-26 12:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-26 12:41 am (UTC)There's just something about Lee that's always drawn me towards him. I just think it's his stickyness towards rules, that's me! He may not like it, but he goes for what's right. Kara just sort of bugged me and then I didn't like her storyline in S2.
I still liked Rose, but I lost my respect for the character when they started writing her like that in S2. I don't think they would have done that if Billie had stayed. At least, I'd hope not because they would have lost some viewers I think. Who knows?
Ah, Smallville. I'm with the majority (God I hope) in that I don't like Lana, I hate SVLois and love Chloe and wish they'd do something with her. They always threatened Clark by trying to hurt Lana, they could do that through Chloe! Although I don't want Chloe hurt. SOMETHING that would give Chloe more episode.
Somebody needs to stop going over to GW!! I don't visit so I'm lucky.
Maybe I'm the oddity in the SGA fandom in that I don't dislike any of the characters! Teyla could be better though if they gave her something to do! Her snark is love.
The writers focus too much on McKay and Sheppard. If Ronon can get an episode, so can Teyla and Beckett, although the next ep is his, right?
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Date: 2006-11-26 01:29 am (UTC)You know, I almost completely stopped liking Lee/Kara because I saw a shipper also loved Sheyla? How's that for Sparky devotion. I'm sick, seriously.
If McKay is their character of choice, than make David their top billing. Billing in the credits usually is in order of importance, if that's not the case so be it, otherwise, change the listing.
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Date: 2006-11-26 01:53 am (UTC)That's weird with the billing thing because in my experience, the person who gets the special "as" is usually someone who doesn't show up in episodes all the time. It's special because it's either short term or they aren't there for that long or they aren't on the show all the time.
Give me a random episode from SGA to icon. I'm bored.
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Date: 2006-11-26 02:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-25 11:52 pm (UTC)I just followed a link that I shouldn't have, and just gah. It's so irrational and unfair the crap that gets slung at Chloe fans, and I know it has no basis in truth *sighs*
I just don't like SV's Lois, I mean sorry if that's so devestating for some among us
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Date: 2006-11-26 12:43 am (UTC)Though it does make me wonder (particularly with brunette Billie Piper as a model, and peroxide blonde Hayden Pannetierre on Heroes), why can't our spunky, smart girls be not-blonde? There's something a little...overcompensating? going on there. Why can't we have America Ferreira looking like her own gorgeous self as our spunky, smart teenaged girl? No, she has to be uglied up.
Sorry, seem to have tangented there. I blame leftover stuffing carbo-coma. With cranberry sauce.
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Date: 2006-11-26 01:03 am (UTC)Why can't we have America Ferreira looking like her own gorgeous self as our spunky, smart teenaged girl? No, she has to be uglied up.
'Cause they're following the show that they're remaking? I'd love to see America without them making her geeky, but it's the point of the show and who's to argue with them? Oh yeah, the AUDIENCE!
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Date: 2006-11-26 01:13 am (UTC)I think it's great that they are showing smart, snarky blondes - but they all are. It's almost as if they're saying, "Don't worry, they're not too scary, they're blonde - kind of playing both ends of the stereotype.
'Cause they're following the show that they're remaking?
Yeah. My reaction to Ugly Betty was "Oh, wow, America Ferreira got a show - she so deserves it. Damn. They're going to make her 'unattractive' but loveable." Sigh. The first thing I ever saw her in was some low-budget cheerleading comedy on the Disney Channel, as part of an East LA high school squad. She was so unbelievably good in that, I was thrilled to see her subsequent success, but other than Real Women Have Curves, they seem determined to make her the joke character, or at least one that's supposed to be unattractive until we get to know the "real her". The thing is, the real her is so luminous, how come we can't see her as that girl?
Yeah, I know, I'm just cranky today... ;-)
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Date: 2006-11-26 01:20 am (UTC)I saw that Disney movie! And Real Women Have Curves, and I just love America. She has curves and she's gorgeous (which is a word I've been using too often I've noticed).
What I do give Ugly Betty credit for though, is that they didn't doll her up in the first episode and make her Pretty Betty. She would be pretty, it's just not the point of the show.
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Date: 2006-11-26 12:45 am (UTC)This Lois just isn't written well, and they did a fantastic job with Chloe, she's the best written, most consistent and most real character. What's there to hate?
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Date: 2006-11-26 11:18 am (UTC)And you would not believe the ugly comments that get thrown at Allison Mack, and I generally try not to even read them any more. I was just at TWoP yesterday and clicked on a link without thinking. Everything gets blamed on Chloe fans as well, it's just almost laughable how angry people can get at us. Chloe and Lois are very different characters IMO, so a lot of Chloe fans don't care for Lois, and vice versa. A lot of us find Lois a rude and annoying slacker (well I know they've been lightswitching her into journalism this year, but yeah right is all I can say). The bile that gets thrown at you if you dare to not like Lois, and are a Chloe fan on top, it's unreal.
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:27 pm (UTC)I can't believe people slack on Allison! She's one of the most talented actresses, plus she's one of the best in the bunch on Smallville. It just seems like people are mixing their version of Lois Lane with what we have on Smallville and they're getting a little out of hand.
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:35 pm (UTC)I'm not a Lois fan, but I try not to bash the actress herself *shrugs*
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:40 pm (UTC)I'll criticize Ten for all his faults, and I may even blame some of that on DT, but I'd never say "OMG, DT should just leave the show because he sucks and he's ruining it" or whatever. I adore the actor, I just think he sometimes makes odd acting choices or the director makes odd choices.
With Lois, I don't really blame ED, in fact, it'd be hard to because it's really the writing of her character that's bothering me. They're making her something they've almost established she's not!
People are blind, AM is beautiful.
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Date: 2006-11-26 06:41 am (UTC)Then you mentioned Sparky.
::feels dirty:: I've got to go shower just to get the idea off my skin.
:P
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:25 pm (UTC)nine, etc.
Date: 2006-11-26 06:50 am (UTC)It "fantastic" to hear someone state their opinions so strongly and still realize everyone else is entitled to their own opinon, too. I would definitely say expressing yourself is NOT one of your problems. I may or may not agree with someone's opinion, but it's always nice to have a "friendly" and lively debate over all of this stuff because sometimes it makes me look at a show or character again from someone elses point of view. It may not change my mind, but it's fun to take a second look.
Okay. I'm really going to show my ignorance now: What the hell does "shipping" mean, exactly? I'm from Texas(USA), and I've never heard that term used in this context. Try not to laugh too hard at my ignorance!!
I would really love to read more fics on Chris E. Can you point me in the right direction?
If I had to choose a favorite character in SGA, it would either be Rodney or Ronon. Rodney, just because he is an unsure mushmellon under all of that annoying shit; Ronon, just because he's himself(can't really define it any better than that!).
I'm still trying to pick a favorite on BSG; probably Adama or Six.
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:32 pm (UTC)I find that I like expressing myself, even if the words don't seem right.
What the hell does "shipping" mean, exactly? I'm from Texas(USA)
I'm a FL girl myself ;) But shipping just refers to liking a couple, like I ship Nine/Rose, which means I really like those two as a couple, together.
I actually don't know of any fics on CE, just those written with Nine.
I love Ronon too, just 'cause there's really no mystery to the man and he amuses me!
And Adama is definitely high on my list.
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Date: 2006-11-26 11:16 am (UTC)If I see someone criticizing in a really bashing way, I won't read. And if I feel that I'm in a very bad mood, I will restrain myself till death not to say anything too bad about a character.
But I'm generally quite cool, and even if I have my favourite characters, they are very few characters that I dislike. In fact, the only character I hate above everything is Lana. But I know I can be harsh so I'll just shut up.
I think if people know they're not going to like what they read, they shouldn't read it. And if the people in front of you don't like your favourite character but like another, that does not prevent them from being human!
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:36 pm (UTC)I'd expect people to get upset over bashing, that's upsetting for myself as well which is why I try to never do that.
I think if people know they're not going to like what they read, they shouldn't read it.
I totally agree. Which is probably what induced this rant, I was reading a post I should have skipped.
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Date: 2006-11-27 04:10 pm (UTC)I love to criticize and to read critics, but some people just don't know the subtle difference between bashing and criticizing. It's annoying.
I totally agree. Which is probably what induced this rant, I was reading a post I should have skipped.
He he, curiosity... I used to read everything before, because, well,.... I can't resist :D
But I reacted too strongly to agressive posts, so now, I've learnt not to read them anymore.
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Date: 2006-11-27 04:36 pm (UTC)That really is bad, just like hating a character you've never seen on screen, or hating a character because they have more screen time(which, I'm sorry, I can't fault the character when the writers give her more screentime!).
but some people just don't know the subtle difference between bashing and criticizing.
Yeah, with my rants, and I know there have been many, I become more and more aware of what I'm writing and try to make sure that I'm not crossing the line. It's probably why I backtrack and am like "It's not like I hate the character", because I don't want to come off as a forceful person. And why every other sentence ends with IMO (in my opinion).
He he, curiosity
That's a very very bad thing.
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Date: 2006-11-28 08:06 am (UTC)I myself don't talk about the two characters I hate because I don't see the point of making an entry about a character I dislike.
I saw people making an entry just for that, for bashing. When it's in the context of reviewing a show or an episode, I can understand, but making an entry just to bash, wow, that's a waste of good time!
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Date: 2006-11-28 03:55 pm (UTC)A post of just bashing is such a waste!
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Date: 2006-11-26 02:42 pm (UTC)Which is why I have you friended, because you don't take that attitude. However, I do end up occasionally skipping over a few of your posts, because I do love Series 2 Rose, and Ten, and really like Kara (but adore Lee).
What's with the Sheyla (or the McShep?) shippers hating Elizabeth, maybe my venture into the fandom is limited, but I really haven't seen much bad mouthing of Teyla by the Sparky shippers.
This sort of thing drives me nuts, too. I'm a McKay/Sheppard person (what I really hate are the portmanteaus) who likes Elizabeth and loves Teyla. Actually, I haven't seen many (if any, I can't recall right now) M/S folks who do hate Elizabeth or Teyla, but maybe that's because I'm hanging out in the sane end of SGA and don't dip my toes into the insane end at all. *shrug* Or maybe I'm just weird. :-)
P.S.: Sparky?
Date: 2006-11-26 02:46 pm (UTC)Re: P.S.: Sparky?
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Date: 2006-11-26 04:51 pm (UTC)I don't like that myself. I try not to get too negative with my criticism (I never try to outright bash a character) but I couldn't imagine being "OMG, you're stupid because you like Kara", that's stupid and downright, wrong? I think that's what I'm going for at least.
However, I do end up occasionally skipping over a few of your posts, because I do love Series 2 Rose, and Ten, and really like Kara (but adore Lee).
That's cool. I understand that I may be in the minority that's not that big a fan of Kara, but it's not something recent. In fact, seeing all the Kara bashing makes me upset. I'm not a fan of bashing characters, I just criticize because I expect better of a character, especially on BSG. But then, it's hard...and I'm losing track of what I'm saying. bah
Cool, I didn't know if I had any McShep shippers on my flist!
What's difficult in the SGA fandom, of the interaction I've had, at least, is that people are so fierce about the characters they love, they end up extremely fierce about the characters they don't like, and I just need to stop myself from reading post episode reviews from the sga newsletter, I'm just gonna make myself upset.
Actually, I haven't seen many (if any, I can't recall right now) M/S folks who do hate Elizabeth or Teyla
Okay, I wasn't actually sure. But then, I've read reviews of a few M/S shippers who didn't like Lizzie, and then a few that loved Lizzie.
I'm hanging out in the sane end of SGA and don't dip my toes into the insane end at all
Oh, where are you hanging because I'd like to stay away from the insane!
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Date: 2006-11-26 07:41 pm (UTC)I'm generally quite positive about liking characters, so it sometimes annoys me a bit when people just dismiss a certain character as crap, or generalise about them, stuff like that - Adric & Tegan in old Who are 2 of my favourite characters, and I can see why people find them irritating, but it really, really bugs me when they're labelled as 'useless companions', or when people say they're glad they died/left - same with Rose, when people say they're glad she left - people might not've liked her all that much towards the end, but that doesn't mean they have to be like WOooo Rose's left Good Riddance yay! (Not everyone's like that obviously, don't want to generalise too much)...So yeah, sometimes attitudes to characters annoy me, but I'm quite glad it doesn't bother me as much as it seems to you (no offence lol =) ). Maybe I just don't see all the nastier stuff =/
*chocolate*? =)
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Date: 2006-11-26 07:48 pm (UTC)I hope I'm not!
I always make sure to have reasons, now, when I criticize a character. It's just not cool if I were to rant about a character just because. And I know what you mean. Sometimes people's vehemence surprises me, and is quite frustrating as well.
You know, I was never YAY ROSE IS GONE, and seeing that is annoying because I loved S1 Rose, and liked S2 Rose, with her leaving, the only thing that made me happy was that I wouldn't have to put of with RTD's vision of their(Ten/Rose) relationship.
but I'm quite glad it doesn't bother me as much as it seems to you (no offence lol =) )</i. None taken! It's what being involved in several fandoms, and yet they're all similar, does to ya. You either roll with it, or you don't, or you find middle ground, which is something I wish I could find. DID SOMEONE SAY CHOCOLATE?
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Date: 2006-11-26 08:34 pm (UTC)It's fair enough if there's reasons. What bothers me isn't so much people criticising characters, it's the random slagging off('I cheered when Adric died' &c.)
I'm only really in Dr Who (and I think that's a pretty friendly fandom, from what I've heard of others), so I don't really have that problem =) Been trying to get back into Harry Potter, but it's SCARY. And nothing like DW anyway.
CHOCOLATE! *throws chocolate to meganlynn09*
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Date: 2006-11-26 08:49 pm (UTC)Oh, you'd have to pay me to get back into HP fandom.
YAY chocolate (which Megan really is eating right now because she has a huge bar of Hershey's in front of her).
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Date: 2006-11-26 09:01 pm (UTC)Aw, I have no actual chocolate =( Some chewing gum, but it's not quite the same..
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Date: 2006-11-26 11:22 pm (UTC)No, nothing really compares to chocolate!
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