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[meganlynn09]

*sigh*  Under the cut, ladies and gentlemen.

Helo lost me.  Am I bloodthirsty to say that what they were doing was semi-right?  I do say semi because it was going to weigh on their minds, as it should.  But their duty is to keep this fleet alive.  The Cylons whipped out billions of humans, and I'm not going to repeat everything Roslin said.  But it stands to go that I agree with her.

It was a terrible choice, and if New Caprica had worked out, they wouldn't be having this conversation.  And that's probably where Roslin lost any respect she might have had for Helo, myself as well.  He sees things as so simplistic, it's unrealistic.  Even his wife, who is a Cylon, was willing to let it happen, even if she was understandably upset about it.

I wasn't as gung-ho as Lee about it, but they had a point.  Helo, to an extent, was wrong, especially in his actions.

But now, will future human murders by the Cylons weigh on him?  Because he didn't let the plan go through, will it be his fault for any more deaths?

I found it interesting that Lee called Sharon by her name, and corrected himself, on the basestar, but later referred to her as "Karl's wife".  From last week, and from the first name use, they seemed to have been friends.  I do use the past tense because I don't think they'll be getting along right now.

And boy was Lee jumpy on that basestar.  When that Six model woke up I think he jumped back, like, 10 feet.

But really, I want to get back to the conversation between Helo and Roslin.  He really didn't have the right to bring up New Caprica.  Because one, as she pointed out, he never set foot on the planet.  People were killed and taken prisoner.  Tortured, physically and mentally.  I don't think he understands Tigh and Kara and the others.  As much as I didn't like them mouthing off last week, at least they had reasons for their feelings.  Helo is letting Sharon cloud his judgement, even she's not trying, and that's going to bite him in the ass one day.  The Cylons are searching for Earth, as are the humans.  Is Helo to think that they're going to try and live peacefully with us?  He's naive, and I'll wait to add stupid to that.

You know when you're starting to like a character (again) when you're waiting for her to show up on screen.  Why yes, I'm talking about Starbuck.

I really don't have much else to say.

Also, I think I would benefit from NOT watching the previews for the next episodes because they just give me a headache.

Comments

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

I thought that both Helo and Lee were right. That is to say, what I really wanted was for them to admit that they'd be committing genocide, and that it was wrong, but for the sake of all their survival, it had to be done. I love that he saved them from themselves. On the other hand, however, I kind of wish he hadn't, so they'd have to live with the consequences. I don't know. As you can see, I'm very much of two minds on this. But I still love Helo, because he's still maintained his ideals even though no one else has, and because of his giant heart.

And boy was Lee jumpy on that basestar.

inlovewithnight reminded me that he's frequently like that in high-stress combat situations. When the Cylons boarded Galactica during the first half of season 2, he got like that too. I love that they remembered that.

He really didn't have the right to bring up New Caprica.

No. In that, he very definitely stuck his foot in it, to say the least. He has no clue what happened, how awful it was. He had no right to go there.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

Maybe I was too hard on him? I don't know. I know what you mean, and I didn't mention it. They should have admitted, that yes, they were committing genocide. I suppose it's because I've never been like a big fan of Helo (not that I never liked him, I just, he's not my favorite). I mean, it's nice that he sticks to what his heart tells him, but it's almost like they were portraying him as forgetting what the Cylons have put them through, and what they put him through (in S1).

When the Cylons boarded Galactica during the first half of season 2, he got like that too. I love that they remembered that.

I don't know who to thank for that character continuity, Jamie Bamber or the writers/directors. It's awesome.

In that, he very definitely stuck his foot in it, to say the least.

And you know, him saying that, I think that may have made Roslin's decision a little more firmer.

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

I mean, it's nice that he sticks to what his heart tells him, but it's almost like they were portraying him as forgetting what the Cylons have put them through, and what they put him through (in S1).

Well, yes, but there is some merit to the argument that to commit genocide would sink to their level and darken their souls (or whatever Helo says). I'm just not sure that's enough to risk the safety of every human left, is all. But I guess I'm less of an idealist and more of a pragmatist than Helo is.

And you know, him saying that, I think that may have made Roslin's decision a little more firmer.

You know, you've got a point. I think he just shoved her a little further along the decision making process.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

Oh of course! It would greatly weigh on them the gravity of what they committed, but like you said, would that be enough not to get rid of the terrible, and constant, threat?

And you'd think after all they've been through, they're wouldn't be any idealists left. It's nice, in principal.

[spellingwitch.livejournal.com]

I thought it was stupid of Helo too. Not only are they trying to save the fleet, but what happens if they find Earth and the Cylons just follow them right in and start exterminating? Isn't that [what the Cylons do] genocide? I'm sorry but it's not genocide when it's in self-defense.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

It's still genocide, but what are you going to choose? Saving the 40,000 survivors of your race, or try and take out the people trying to kill you and already wiped out billions of your people? It's not a hard choice, and yet it is.

[http://users.livejournal.com/ar_feiniel_/]

I agreed with Helo's reasoning more than what the others were harping on....which sounded a little too much like revenge and middle school playground rules (ie - 'the Cylons started it').

I actually think the disease was a good strategic defense, because, let's face it: the Cylons could wipe out the remainder of the humans if they get a jump on the fleet. And I doubt the Cylons would have been all wiped out: if Doc Cottle could whip out a cure in a day, I think the Cylons could figure it out in time.

Though I wouldn't have staged a massive offesive attack - that's IMO on the more...harsh...side, and kinda stupid. I would have held onto the prisoners, and executed only one or two at a time if attacked. Wow, that sounds really mean. Ususally I'm not like this. ;)

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

Oh, I think when Helo brought up New Caprica, he lost me as much as he lost Roslin. But I get what he was saying, and I know it wouldn't exactly be all happy go lucky that they just wiped out the Cylons. But they're definitely in a be killed or kill situation. They won't exactly be able to live nicely on Earth together.

Although, I do agree with the thought of keeping one of the prisoners alive. Probably Simon since he seemed the most eager for a cure.

And that does sound harsh. I feel almost bloodthirsty saying all this!