Doctor Who-Question

[meganlynn09]

Okay, does the fact that I'm not a big fan of Ten and that I absolutely love Nine have to be connected?

I adore Nine and S1 and everything there.

I don't like Ten because of how he handles things, how be behaves with others and Rose, his voice, his actions, when he shouts and countless other little things that just bug me.

Can the fact that I don't like Ten just be because I don't like Ten?

Because I was completely willing to accept him and like him with open arms. Loved him in the Children in Need special, he was alright in "The Christmas Invasion", I enjoyed him in some of S2, in fact, he didn't lose me till "Rise of the Cybermen". So...that's it.

Comments

[seekingwords.livejournal.com]

Ha! I so know what you mean. Not liking Ten (well I do like him sometimes) just because I prefer Nine would be so freaking stupid and immature.

But I do like David Tennant -- I think he's adorable. Ten? Eh, not so much.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

DT is adorkable which just makes me not liking Ten so much worse.

Oh wow, that icon is of the awesome.

[snoopoony.livejournal.com]

I guess that even when we are arms opens to welcome a character that is going to follow our favourite, everything tends to make us dislike this character. I don't think it's coming from bad faith. But it's something so natural. You had this favourite character of yours that disappear and then you have this new one... he might be fantastic and you're really willing to give him a chance, but you seem to pick up only his drawbacks.

Maybe, if you hadn't liked Nine and Ten had come, you still would have disliked him, but you'll never know that...

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

Well, the thing is, watching them overlapped each other. I was still watching Nine's season for the first time when Ten's started, so I didn't have that gap to become all super attached to Nine. That didn't happen till later.

And while I miss Nine, I feel like I know I don't like Ten because of all the things I named and not because he came in Nine's place. That fact that he came in Nine's place doesn't even factor into my feelings for either one.

I don't even know if this is all making sense to you! :D 'Cause you don't watch Doctor Who, right?

[snoopoony.livejournal.com]

No, I don't watch it. But I'd like to. *pouts* sounds like a cool show. We're so behind things in France! Damn!

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

Exactly! The two are not the same. I like David Tennant in interviews, although I've never particularly thought much of him as an actor - okay, not great. I thought he would make a good Doctor. Unfortunately, between his overacting and some really bad writing, Ten is a mess. Did you see that discussion at cryptile's LJ around Christmas?

My problem with Ten is that they keep banging on about how cute and wacky and fun he is, while he reminds me of those mean little boys who tear the wings off flies and tortures little girls because they think they can get away with it by being cheeky and charming. He's also a hypocrite. So far, he's undermined Harriet for a "sneak attack" by using a sneak attack, reduced Rose to a simpering schoolgirl, declared himself the ultimate authority "Mr. No Second Chances" when he himself is supposed to be a "second chance" after the Time War, and committed genocide. Not to mention he's got the empathy of a rock. It's okay for the Doctor to have a big ego, but it's best served with a sense of humour (Two, Four, Nine). And Tennant is showing all the nuance and flexibility of two short planks in his acting. He may be good on stage, but on TV he always comes off as too big; it's like "use your indoor acting, David!"

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

By "the two are not the same", I mean loving Nine and disliking Ten. Sorry, I got a running start on that rant from another place...

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

I must have missed that discussion.

But yeah, David Tennant I found absolutely adorable, but put everything together in his character, and it hits all the sore points with me.

He may have reined it in with "The Runaway Bride", but the character still hit the wrong nerves with me. He's got an authority complex, even the head director of Torchwood of all people called him on it.

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

He may have reined it in with "The Runaway Bride", but the character still hit the wrong nerves with me. He's got an authority complex, even the head director of Torchwood of all people called him on it.

Yeah, but there just don't seem to be any consequences. It's okay that he committed genocide - because they were icky spiders and their mommy was mean (and this is coming from an arachnophobe, here). We're still supposed to find him cute and cuddly because he misses Wose. So everything he does is A-OK.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

Oh grr I get so sick of snide comments on Nine fans. I loved Ten in the Xmas Special and CIN. He just started annoying me for a lot of different reasons. The overacting, and screaming in peoples faces, among them. Yes, I'm still not over The Idiot's Lantern portrayal of his screaming about like a lunatic. "NOTHING IN THIS WORLD WILL STOP ME NOW". Just sit down, and shut up for the love of god.

I was following discussions linked in who_daily and I er noticed someone was being rather patrionising and sweetheart, if that's what you're referring too ;)

It's just a load of rubbish, Ten often wasn't very good in season 2 IMHO. Although I really liked him in TRB surprisingly enough, so I'm looking forward to seeing what DT does with season 3. But I think I'll continue to stay away from the bitchier part of fandom, even if I do end up really liking him. I'll see how it goes *g*


I should quote some bits from the latest vortex guide for you at some point, there is heaps of criticims of Ten and DT, and that's from the oldskool fans, instead of *gasp* the drippy and pathetic Ninefen. Or whatever

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

Er sorry if that come off too strongly, I'm judt in a grumpy mood today anyway.

I'm totally going to quote bits from the Vortex for you at some point though, promise :) There are a lot of comments on Rose's characterisation (from the same reviewers who had all loved her in season 1) and Ten/Rose, that you will totally agree with I'm sure!

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

I would also be interested in this :-). I've seen the first one, and it's interesting that some of the stuff that CE gets slammed for seem to be much worse in S2, so I wonder if anyone will change their minds?

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

Aw, I know what it's like to be grumpy, no problem!

That sounds very interesting indeed.

[nina-ds.livejournal.com]

As if the Tenfen don't project their "OMG he's so cuuuuute!" onto Jack!

That's what really ticks me off, is that it's almost always couched in "Oooh, he's attractive now - because he was really ugly before..."

Even if 'twere true, 'tis shaming to be so very shallow.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

"Oooh, he's attractive now - because he was really ugly before..."


I know! God. Or the theory that he regenerated into DT appearance especially so that Rose could now actually be attracted to him.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

I er noticed someone was being rather patrionising and sweetheart, if that's what you're referring too ;)

Are you talking about the comment to one of my comments? Apparantly, I'm not a hardcore fandom person because I'm not exactly sure how to take Ninefen, it's what? Another way of saying obsessive Nine fan? And I didn't answer because I didn't like the use of sweetheart.

In a way that did prompt this because my Nine-love and my problems with Ten, in my POV, have nothing to do with each other. I want Jack to hit Ten because he deserves it. I don't think Jack and Ten would get along because I generally don't think their personalities mesh. But, whatever. This fandom makes me feel like a little child sometimes.

It's just a load of rubbish, Ten often wasn't very good in season 2 IMHO

*nods* *nods some more*

I should quote some bits from the latest vortex guide for you at some point

Awesome.

[frelling-tralk.livejournal.com]

I think ninefen and stuff is just how the cool people in fandom talk, I'm not sure though :P

Are you talking about the comment to one of my comments?

I think so? I was clicking through discussion links on who_daily on how Jack and Ten might respond to one another. And I noticed someone being all sweetheart, the ninefen overidentify with the characters or something.

I was just as disappointed as you that more wasn't made of the possible post-regeneration angle after TCI, instead just leaping into the rather nauseating interaction from New Earth. So I'm hoping they play that more with Jack and Ten. Especially as DT will be more settled into the role by then, and I know there was spec at the time that maybe they wanted to avoid any possible signs of Rose (as the then audience POV character) rejecting the new Doctor in any way. They could probably make a decent arc of it by the time of late season 3 though

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[sciencegeek.livejournal.com]

I agree. I'm not a huge fan of Ten, and it's not because he replaced Nine...actually when he first appeared at the end of S1, I was really excited for a new Doctor, I was sad Nine was gone, but I was still a bit excited for the new one. I'm wondering how much my dislike for Ten has to do with writing, or if it's the acting. I liked Rose in S1, but not in S2, and I think that's because of the writing. It's not that I hated S2, because there were episodes I liked, but on the whole, I prefer S1.

But...yes. I agree his behaviour, his shouting and actions are bit grating.

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[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

Nice to know that people understand the difference and even agree.

I, too, have wondered the same, writing or acting? I've come down to it was both because the writing wasn't consistent, and neither was the acting.

[badonkatonks.livejournal.com]

I went OFF about this same thing not long ago. I WANT to like Ten because I love Doctor Who and I really, really like David Tennant, just not as the Doctor.

My thoughts on DT's Doctor (http://badonkatonks.livejournal.com/277831.html)

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

You make wonderful points in your post. I think David Tennant is adorable, but watching CE as Nine just made me love that man, seeing him in a couple interviews and watching him(or at least trying to) in other stuff, I could almost call myself obsessed with how happy it makes me to watch that man.

But that there, is where some of the problem lies, people seem to be preferring the actors instead of actually looking at the characters of Nine and Ten. And I greatly prefer the character of Nine over Ten.

I have no idea if that made any sense into what you were commenting, but I just wanted to say, I completely agree that I want to like Ten and just...can't.

[irreparable.livejournal.com]

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I have to agree - I don't mind Ten, but there's a lot of hits and misses there, and I can't find the rationale to go all squeeful b.c of his looks. He's attractive enough, but he doesn't have the depth or gravitas of CE, and that's one of the things I love so much about CE's acting, regardless of the role he's in. I think the interaction between Ten and Rose was a great disservice to both characters, and I have great fear for how the interaction with Jack and Ten will go. AFAIC, Jack will always think of Nine as 'his Doctor', not Ten.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

I don't get the squee over Tennant's looks myself because I find CE to be a very beautiful man personally, so I don't get the all of a sudden "hot" Doctor vibe.

I, too, agree that DT can't come anywhere near CE's intensity and many times his performance falls very flat.

I have great fear for how the interaction with Jack and Ten will go. AFAIC, Jack will always think of Nine as 'his Doctor', not Ten.

Refreshing to know I'm not the only one to be feeling that.

[coneyislandbaby]

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It doesn't have to be connected but I think some old school fans (I'm one, I admit it, but I didn't get fannish or addicted until Nine came along) find it... odd that new school fans don't see the Doctor as always the same person. The thing is, it's something that's so ingrained in me, I can't see not seeing it, if that makes sense?

So I'm like - if I ran the world we'd have had at least two seasons with Nine, preferably more. But we didn't. So we have Ten and he's played by an actor I like and that's great.

And the thing is, he is different to Nine, just as Nine was very different to Four (the Doctor I remember best, though I remember parts of Five and Six, not so much of Seven) or even Eight (I'm one who liked Eight, yes). But his inner core is still the same - and I see that in Ten. Actually, as much as I do love him, it took about four eps for Nine to really convince me he was the Doctor first time round with watching, but I blame that more on my love of Chris's other work than anything with his performance.

And as for Ten being attractive or more attractive than Nine? Even there I can't say too much - I find both men very attractive. Though if I must make a choice I'd rather actually have sex with Chris. But that's a gun-to-my-head choice.

*ponders* Just out of curiosity, seeing that Ten lost you at Rise Of The Cybermen - it couldn't be something to do with that episode, could it? Just curious, nothing more.

[meganlynn09.livejournal.com]

odd that new school fans don't see the Doctor as always the same person

I can't really speak for others, but for myself as a new school fan, I just really have a hard time seeing them as the same when I see them as so different. I loved Nine so much and then I can sometimes barely tolerate Ten.

Since I started watching last March, I've tried to learn as much as possible about the older series, learning about the other Doctors and companions and stuff, but I still can't reconcile with the thought that they are still the same at the core because I personally don't see it. And it might be because his intereactions with Rose covered it up. I don't know, I'm waiting (impatiently) for the 3rd series to figure it out.

And as for Ten being attractive or more attractive than Nine? Even there I can't say too much - I find both men very attractive.

Right, I've just been very bothered by the fact that looks have played a part in how some feel about each Doctor. And for my personal tastes, I find Chris very hot and would chose him, but I find David so incredibly adorable.

Just out of curiosity, seeing that Ten lost you at Rise Of The Cybermen - it couldn't be something to do with that episode, could it? Just curious, nothing more.

RotC, his behavior in the episode baffled me because it was so...I don't know...different? and I didn't like his little clique with Rose and he just seemed...I don't know. I may be a little off in my calculations of when he lost me. It was between this episode and "The Idiot's Lantern". Thinking about it again, I'd lean more towards the latter. His inconsistency though lost me completely.